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29 January 2005
 
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Interview of Polish musicians in
phrase.
三位波蘭音樂家談電子音樂圖像

In order to perceived a synoptic effect of mind concern on subject of
“Electronic Music Patten”, I had choose specific questions in addressing of
contemporary media art and the relationship to “Sound Art” which often discussed
as continuer.
有關電子音樂圖像與當代藝術的關係,或多或少都曾被討論著,一個概要的觀點出發,試著與聲音藝術家和他們生活層面的連結尋線,採樣文字片段,訪談的敘述多以第一人稱為主。


__ Polish Sound Artist
//受訪波蘭聲音藝術家________________________________________
Marek Choloniewski,
?ukaz Andrzej Szalankiewicz & Michal Liberak

__ interview and
translated by PEI ____________15.01.2005
______________________________訪問&翻譯者:劉佩雯

// what inspiration to your sound
sculpture, is that the tone martial or reality?
//
你作品靈感的來源是現實亦或聲音素材?

// film, picture & music are the cotemporary
culture which are more likely to present often then tone, in your sense? How do
you get to the idea on working on such martial?
//
比起聲音素材,當代文化中的電影、圖像及音樂的表現是比較多元化的,你的想法呢? 你如何開始著手以這樣的素材創作?

// is that
difficult to work as sound artist/musician?
// 做為一位聲音藝術家困難嘛?

[]


..I'm inspired by many different resources for a long time so
opening to all surroundings is one of the deal working with all media available
is another one. I don't specify the difference between reality and the art. It
depends on the very personal decisions of the artist following Marcel Duchamp,
the artist determines the boundary between reality and the art, so putting the
label to the extracted, framed fragment of the reality is enough to create the
piece of art.
..
許許多多的環境變數與不同面向的資源(訊息),如何與這些不斷變動的環境因子互動,都是我創作靈光的來源。並不特別去區分現實與藝術間的差異,個人決定性的因素可以回溯到早期Marcel
Duchamp的概念。藝術家確立現實與藝術間的臨界點,從某個範圍中分析後,貼上標籤,能夠架框住現實中的片羽,就已經足夠稱為一件藝術品了。
..my
friend Dan Senn from Tacoma found the open field in the forest with quite
unnatural, sophisticated acoustic reflections, so he put the sticker with his
name and the title: Sound Forest, it was enough to change the function of the
place by labeling it, finding a unique, simple solution is the specific
combination between technology existing in the most natural, but also discrete,
hidden way and ideas, concepts with more complex structures, so joining film,
picture & music, but also philosophy, literature, science: anthropology,
biology, kinetics, optics, basic visual phenomena is one of the choice for my
art projects.
..我的一位朋友 - Dan Senn
[www.newsense-intermedium.com],在華盛頓塔可馬港市不遠的森林處,他找到一片空地、開放式的,有著相當奇特的聽覺回響,不太像自然環境中存有的精緻聲響空間。於是他將其錄音貼了貼紙,標題為
[音響森林]。對於改變一個環境的地方功能性,加個標籤就可以說的很明白了,借於解釋存在自然中的科技組合,一個特殊?又簡單的方法,唯物與人文之非連續的連繫,隱喻的想法及概念,複雜的結構組合,所以在我的作品中有關影片、影像、音樂的結合,同時也選擇含蘊了哲學、文學、科學、人類學、生物學、動力學、光學、視覺現象。
..I'm living with the special balance between activity and observation,
sending and receiving in the same time, observing relation between different
mobile elements, checking all processes which surround me every time, so
surrounding is one of many potential, one of my basic idea is global illusion of
something, which doesn't exist, which appears only as a reflection of another
illusion.
..生活中的平衡點在介於行動與觀察間有著相當特別同步關係,同時接收也傳送,觀察著各個移動物件間的關係,無時無刻的檢驗著環繞在我四周的過程作用,四周的環境是潛在因素的其中一部份,某樣東西(它)的全球幻象一直是我作品中的基本想法,它並不真的存在,它的出現只能從另一個幻象反射顯現。
..All "realities" around are just potentially existing codes, substitutes,
equivalent of another potential. All those extensions, compressions,
accelerations and reductions are the most important elements in my audiovisual
projects. My Natural Plastic Duo (together with Amy Knoles from Los Angeles)
dedicated its art ideas to those elements.
..四周所有的 [真實]
都只是潛伏已久的複數編碼,[存在]的替代物,並與另一個潛在的因素相等。它們的擴張、壓縮、加速或簡約才是在我聲化作品中重要的部份,我與洛杉磯藝術家 Amy
Knoles [www.amyknoles.com] 所組成的 [自然塑料二人組 : Natural Plastic Duo] 就見以這些元素為主要藝術概念。
// artist‘s short bio ..MAREK CHO?ONIEWSKI (born 1953, in Cracow), studied
organ (with L.Werner), theory of music and composition (with B.Schaeffer) at the
Cracow Academy of Music, where since 1976, has been employed on the faculty of
the Electro-acoustic Music Studio. In 1986, he founded his own annual
International Concert Series called Audio Art which presented the most important
artists and achievements in "sound art" from all over the world. A world renown
lecturer, composer, "live computer music" performer, and author of audio-visual
computer projects. In-between 1993 – 1999 he was an artistic director of the
International Academy for New Composition and Audio Art in Schwaz (Austria).
Since 2000 he is director of the Electro-acoustic Music Studio at the Cracow
Academy of Music.
// 藝術家簡介..馬瑞克 恰隆尼斯基(b.1953),波蘭克拉克市音樂學院電腦音樂教授,主要作品為 -
MAX/MSP聲音藝術,程式互動音樂,裝置概念藝術。70年代起致力於現代音樂與電腦音樂。大學時期學習管風琴與作曲,師事
L.Werner&B.Schaeffer。從80年代起成立各形各色的管弦樂團體與行動概念藝術作品。自1986年起,主辦克拉克市 AudioArt
Festival 聲音表演藝術展,邀請全球重要聲音藝術家的參與,也任受任於奧地利、德國、亞洲等地的聲音藝術工作坊策畫人,以及科技新媒體作品的計畫。
Marek
Choloniewski
www.cyf-kr.edu.pl/~zbcholon/mch/mainframes.html


[]


..I am interested in cooperation on an
international level, that's why I want to become part of many actions. Just
believe that exchanging cultural and life experience can add to both sides
benefit. It's extremely important that cooperation take place in time and space
convenient for everyone involved. In convenient circumstances something really
interesting may be created.
..對我而言,參與許多國際化的行動,與來自不同文化背景的聲音藝術家合作是比較有趣。我相信交換文化與生活經驗能夠加深雙方的社會價值觀。在時間與空間的領域中,每位參與者如何輕鬆的一起面對共同的合作態度,是非常重要的。在輕鬆的環境下,真正有趣的事會發生。
..I do not come up with any phony ideology connected with my creations.
Music is my passion, it fulfill my need to create. Ideology? Everything is
ideology. Rather not easy to work as sound artist/musician.
..我的音樂創作中,從來不與哄騙的意識形態連結,音樂是我的熱情,我需要創作。概念?
任何事物都可以是一個概念,但做為一位聲音藝術家/音樂創作者可真不是一件簡單的事。
// artist‘s short bio ?ukaz Andrzej
Szalankiewicz a.k.a Zenial, a sound-designer, a digital music composer and
writer. My family place is Sanok, and now I reside in Krakow... Co-founder of
demo-scene on PC (the hermetic group of artists creating on computers with a
different kind of expression: programming [coding], graphic art, animation,
music and text). And in 1998, Palsecam is an audio-visual project aiming at the
interaction with public. I created pieces with some message in it as well as
there may not. It is entirely up to the listener/recipient how to interpret
these works.
// 藝術家簡介又名
Zenial,聲音設計與數位音樂創作者。我家人來自杉諾克,但我目前住在克拉克市,波蘭藝術團體demo-scene on PC
的創始人之一,我們以電腦為主要創作工具,如煉金術般的電腦程式設計、圖版畫作、動畫、音樂、文字等。Palsecam
成立於1998年,以聲化視覺為主要媒介,公共互動溝通的計劃。創作品中的某些訊息可能也不代表任何意義,這完全要靠聽者/接收者自身的詮釋。

Lukaz Andrzej Szalankiewicz
http://www.zenial.vivo.pl/
http://nomad.kosmoplovci.net/


[]

[]


..Reality affects us every imaginable way. It moderates our mood as
well as financial status. Reality bites. Reality is what we make of it. When
making music I am focused on my satisfaction, inspiration and intention. I
choose whatever fits my needs in order to express myself, then I take it and
transform it into components of desired effect. In the same sense as a painter
preparing pigments and building canvas himself. Setting own rules every time
anew. In my case this desired effect takes form of beat-oriented patterns or
droning clouds of dense sounds ;) The film, picture and music are likely to
occur together nowadays, provided that sufficient technology is at hand. I was
told once that few % of world's population has access to the internet, so this
"multimedial revolution" isn't something as big as we are told - by media - to
think it is) have the access to hardware, software and the now-how to create
audio and video- artefacts on their own, at their homes. Every one of them has a
possibility to try and use his/her personal computer make a sound or create a
series of moving pictures, a possibility to express oneself other way than
through hard work, family life or contestation of the status quo.
..真實影響著我們可想像的空間,它不但調節著我們的心情還有經濟狀況。現實片段,其實都是我們做出來的,當我在創作音樂時,靈感,意向,是表達自主中心的需求,找到適合自己的方式,轉換成想要的效果元組件,跟畫畫一樣,先找到合適的顏色再開始創作版面,每次都是一個新的規則,我自己偏愛節拍或濃厚低鳴雲態聲響。目前的藝術形態
-
電影、圖像或音樂多是同步發生,這當然指特定的技術層面的允許之下。曾經有人跟我說這世界上只有極小百分比的人與網際網路相連結,所以多媒介的影響不如媒體宣染來的誇張,簡單的說,只是現下有較多的人運用個人電腦在家創作一些聲音或流動的影像,舒發工作壓力,話家常,說說生活或對事物的論點吧。
..music pattern: pattern is magic, pattern recognition machines is what we
are and working with patterns seems to serve our evolution well. When making
music I am producing just 50% of the end product. And remaining 50 % I demand
from curious listener. And I think it is a fair deal. I try to offer patterns
that are unique, not so easy to perceive.
..音樂圖象:
圖象是魔法,人們的進化建立於圖象解讀,我的音樂圖象有50%的完整度,另外50%是由聽者的好奇心來詮釋,這蠻公平的吧!我所傳送的圖象是很獨特的,並不是那麼容易被接收,被理解的。..In
the geographic area where is virtually no awareness of sound among the people?
Yes, it is bloody difficult. In financial terms, and in cultural terms as well.
Common sense of audio environment is dragged down by mediocrity of mainstream
demand and/or by induced, selective dumbness or stupidity of average "culture
consumer". There is next to zero promotion of sound-art unless it is backed up
by some babylonian events or big business. Things are going to change slowly. I
think this is the matter of gentle propagation, not marketing-oriented education
of consumers. Poland is a very tired country, tired of wars, of communism, of
politicians, of New World Order, of cultural, emotional and intellectual
poverty. Or it is just me? I can't tell... And the country is hungry for fresh
elements. It's hard to say whether shall we degenerate further or wake up and
regenerate. From the third side of the coin there is nothing to be worried
about. The harsher conditions = the more lively fruits.
..身處於多數人們對於聲音認知近乎於零的地表上?是的!身為一位聲音創作者在大經濟文化的族群認同關係真是有夠複雜。因為大眾聲態環境的需求面被一些無可厚非的俗事誘導,所謂的文化消費群眾只能接觸巴比隆人babylonian
(在此為主導罪惡城市的隱喻)或大型商業團體所興風作浪的事件。事情逐漸的在改變中,我想這是需要慢慢培養的,絕不是市場導向的教育體系引誘消費者就可以的。波蘭已經是個疲累的國家了,戰亂,共產主義,政治家,新世界倫理,文化,情緒和淺薄的知識份子等一切,或許還是只有我?我不能說個明白…這個國家需要些新鮮的刺激,改革或平頓間的平衡點很難取決於是否這兩個面向間的第三延伸,其實是沒什麼好真正擔心的,越困難的狀況通常也代表著更豐富的思考生活。
// artist's short bioI live my life with my wife, my family and my friends.
I make music at my home studio that we call Olivahouse, also I am playing live
electronics sets, collaborating with likeminded people. Regarding long-term
plans: I am about to register non-profit art-organization to promote our
creative output on the field of audio, video, graffiti, sculpture, architecture,
design, programming... there's a group of skilled people around:-) hopefully
soon we will emerge;')
everything is dismantled and in pieces.nigredo is
necessary alchemical phase.order will emerge from chaos soon.
Asking about
my "professional life"?Due to harsh living environment where everybody must put
some effort in order to survive (you know, it's cold and windy here;)) I am not
making music for commercial purposes, because I wouldn't earn a single grosz
(although I will accept with a big smile every single payment due to my audio
activity;)) To live on I am working for an IT company producing quality
educational software. I am graphic designer, Photoshop, Flash, etc. My past
professional experiences also include few funny years of work as a consultant in
a head-hunters company (human resources management and recruitment).
//
藝術家簡介我的生活和老婆、家人、朋友連繫在一起。家裡有個小工作室,我們稱它為 [橄欖屋 Olivahouse]
,玩現場演奏,和想法類同的朋友一起合作不同的計劃,長期的想法是希望能在這形成一個非營利的藝術網絡,將有創作力作品組合起來。

大多數的事都片解開了 ::: everything is
dismantled and in pieces.
點石成金 ::: nigredo is
necessary alchemical phase.
秩序會由混沌中釋出 ::: order
will emerge from chaos soon.

有關我的專業?生活環境的困苦,每個人都須為了生存努力,(這風大又冷;))
我不做商業音樂,因為也賺不到甚麼錢,(但任何聲音活動的回饋,我將報以一個很大的微笑;))
我的正職工作是多媒體工程師,製作科學教育軟體,也曾經做過幾年頭類似104網站人力搜索的管理工作。
Michal Liberak.
http://mkl.z0s.net
 
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